Author Topic: 6 months jail for speeding... (Read 896 times)

MOD · « **on:** 02, March, 2009, 12:11:25 PM »

Wo, that guy caught speeding @122mph with his son pillion has been sent down for 6 months. I'm selling up!

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Biker Biker · « **Reply #1 on:** 02, March, 2009, 12:48:13 PM »

What your son?

Mr Rizla · « **Reply #2 on:** 02, March, 2009, 12:58:38 PM »

other thread

MOD · « **Reply #3 on:** 02, March, 2009, 12:59:03 PM »

Selling everything and moving to Spain BB (soon)

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Pretty ill-considered to ride at those speeds with anyone let alone your son on board and without kit on!! Muppet ':crazy'

Alba · « **Reply #4 on:** 02, March, 2009, 01:14:44 PM »

what makes you think spain is better?!?
ask Burger about those two boys on R6's on our way back from getting lost that night... ':crazy'

Terry · « **Reply #5 on:** 02, March, 2009, 01:16:50 PM »

6 Months!!! Thats a bit harsh is it not? Blimey. On these road wars programmes I watch people who get caught with no licence, insurance, MOT and dont event own the car and they are speeding and they dont get prison! What gives!

Alright the bloke was being an idiot but come on 6 months inside!

Biker Biker · « **Reply #6 on:** 02, March, 2009, 01:22:14 PM »

Quote (MFaster @ Mar. 02 2009,12:59)

Selling everything and moving to Spain BB (soon)

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Will you be borrowing that blokes bike again?.... laughed so hard when I heard it

MOD · « **Reply #7 on:** 02, March, 2009, 01:32:45 PM »

Quote (Biker Biker @ Mar. 02 2009,13:22)

Quote (MFaster @ Mar. 02 2009,12:59)

Selling everything and moving to Spain BB (soon)

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Will you be borrowing that blokes bike again?.... laughed so hard when I heard it

wasn't funny at the time, throwing a brand new BMW + owner down the road...jees, just had a flash-back ':upside'

Biker Biker · « **Reply #8 on:** 02, March, 2009, 01:54:54 PM »

'> It was the fact that you later told us that the owner was on the back that did it for me

MOD · « **Reply #9 on:** 02, March, 2009, 06:19:46 PM »

6 months seems to be about the minimum for manslaughter?? ':rock:'

difficult one as if he binned it in the wet conditions, I guess it would have been

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HellsBells · « **Reply #10 on:** 02, March, 2009, 06:56:56 PM »

Well I think he got what he deserved, I mean ff's 122mph with his son on the back with NO protective clothing or gloves, what a tosser!

TallGuy · « **Reply #11 on:** 02, March, 2009, 07:47:35 PM »

I think the comment after caution sealed his fate. It went along the lines of "I only cracked it open because it was raining so hard I wanted to get home quick." ':p'

Sentancing would have been less severe if his son had been older and therefore legally responsible for his own safety. As it was it was considered wreckless endangerment caused by inappropriate speed in the conditions. If the road had of been dry then he would have needed to have done 150+ to get the same sentance through excess speed on a fixed camera, or been followed and shown to be driving below the required standard.

HellsBells · « **Reply #12 on:** 02, March, 2009, 07:53:17 PM »

I can't believe people are only intrested in the speed, I would have thought the fact his son had NO protective gear on comes into it, how irresponsible can a parent be!........mind you there are classes in jail for this, will give him something to do to pass the time away!

TallGuy · « **Reply #13 on:** 02, March, 2009, 08:04:05 PM »

Quote (HellsBells @ Mar. 02 2009,19:53)

I can't believe people are only intrested in the speed, I would have thought the fact his son had NO protective gear on comes into it, how irresponsible can a parent be!........mind you there are classes in jail for this, will give him something to do to pass the time away!

The problem is that no offence is comitted if the pillion, be it his son, wife or whatever rides pillion wearing a legally compliant crash helmet but nothing else of protective standard. Morally it is wrong but legally not so the offence has to go past the point of lack of protective clothing and focus on the reason for the risk being posed which in this case was excessive and inappropriate speed for the conditions.

I would love to be able to impose fines on potential squids but as long as a helmet is worn (correctly) then there is nothing but strong words of advice at my disposal, until they start breaking other rules relating to driving standards.

MATTP · « **Reply #14 on:** 02, March, 2009, 09:50:24 PM »

Jail is not the answer in this case or others where the full action was carried out, no one was hurt and no one had an issue with the action. A local Queensland guy got 6 months for assaulting a policewoman, which I'm 100% behind. But this is a fact he was jailed for and not a possible outcome which did not happen. This guy selected a bad choice and for that a ban from holding a bike license for the next 2 years, donation to local childrens ward/hospital and also a ban on driving a car outside of work for the next 6 months would have been a better result. But taking away a Father for 6 months (3months if he is good) can't be the answer we should seek to have put onto the family who are already having issues because of being divorced.
Jail for hitting a cop, sure, but 6 months jail for half a mile of speeding is over the top.

Mr Rizla · « **Reply #15 on:** 02, March, 2009, 10:30:10 PM »

Matt i can see your point however responsable action was not carried out, i would not liked to have been a copper having to tell the mrs that her hubby was in hospital with multiple injuries as well as her son who cant walk properly coz he wasnt wearing any back protection when he fell off.
Having said that if im totaly honest and look back at what i wore at that time and i thought i was bulletproof, napa leather jacket, looked cool, loved my ski gloves and wernt trainers all the rage, i was lucky is all i can think off me standing beside the bike wearing over a grands worth of protection nowadays

boots 200, overtrousers 150, jacket 300, helmet 400, gloves 140, edz 50, all adds up

what they should have done is make dad work in A&E for something like 6 weekends just to see what happens in the real world

MATTP · « **Reply #16 on:** 02, March, 2009, 11:26:42 PM »

Atleast A&E is an idea over jail and another one that could have been looked into. I don't agree with jail being the love result of many who see something going wrong. If we are to say this guy did not carry out a smart choice then can we not have actions that could help him be a better person to look up to for his child and not just another person in jail.
I'm very much against the possible being a reason to act as if a fact has happened in a case like this. The child may have had a problem if they had have come off the bike. But they did not and for that reason I'm against jail.
Jail should be for the factual bad and not the possible bad. Or are there some people out there who think jail will make this guy a better Dad (lol).

StrumminRonin · « **Reply #17 on:** 02, March, 2009, 11:41:22 PM »

My blurb on the Times Online that got printed:

"220mph on a stock Hayabusa, seriously?

Fine with him being done for speeding, but 6 months in jail for having a pillion, that's just overkill.

I doubt having a passenger without seatbelts in a car caught speeding would incur any similar penalties.

Jamie, London, UK" Link

Can't help but feel that there is some perverted persecution on motorists as a whole but bikers in particular. It's as mad as the BBFC's hatred of nunchuks.

May be I am bitter but lorry drivers seem to be free to do whatever the **** they want, strike whenever they want etc, but for other average joes' it's a totally different story.

What we could learn from the story: Have quieter exhausts on big bikes??? ':crazy'

trouty · « **Reply #18 on:** 03, March, 2009, 08:35:20 AM »

6 months for speeding with the lad on the back (legal requirements: pillion must wear helmet, feet must be able to reach pegs, must be able to hold on)...

Lord Ahmet got 3 months for dangerous driving (texting on his phone) and ploughing into a car resulting in the death of the driver of the other vehicle....

and the numerous (televised) drivers on various television shows, driving drunk, not having license or insurance, perhaps stolen car... who get the really harsh penalty of community service

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and lets not forget the violent thugs who bottle people because they looked at them funny... 3 months?

sure, the guy was an IDIOT, but hardly a dangerous criminal. He's going to have to rebuild his life, perhaps a fresh dysfunctional family has now been created?

6 months for speeding, no one injured
3 months for starving a dog to death...
doesnt add up, does it?

perhaps some people are 'better' than others and should be treated with leniency?

3 months for texting whilst driving 2 minutes before collision

4 month SUSPENDED sentence
battering a team-mate unconscious in a savage training ground attack.

1 in 200 police get charged...

sure, all offences and circumstances vary, therefore cannot be treated identically, but there NEEDS to be some common sense emplored by those who are in the position to emplore it!

Flying Scot · « **Reply #19 on:** 03, March, 2009, 02:22:23 PM »

Agree the guy is a twat but have you seen the video when he goes round the bend he's sitting up and I dont think in those conditions you could slow down that fast.
What about the fiesta that went through the camera after him that seemed to be going no slower. 6 months wrong before anyone jumps everyone has done it hands up.

Ghost · « **Reply #20 on:** 03, March, 2009, 06:38:39 PM »

Sorry, 6 months for some thing that MAY have taken place, but only doing 122mph ? Shows the mess the so called justice system has become.

I'll be happy thinking the guy just went to court with an attitude and hence 6 months, pays to suit up, show remorce and kiss ass ':p'

Some very good points raised MattP and Trouty

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TallGuy · « **Reply #21 on:** 03, March, 2009, 08:52:00 PM »

I agree with peoples sentiment over the sentance it is no way proportionate to the level of sentancing being handed out for offences against the person and is far more appropriate for correctional learning which is acheivable through various schemes.

When I can be punched in the face by a member of the public whilst on duty, lose a tooth as a result, complete a statement detailing the whole event, have the event recorded on CCTV, arrest the offender there and then and all charges get dropped through "insufficient evidence" it's not surprising that the public have a lack of confidence in the CJS (Comical Justice System).

I wonder how different it would be if sentancing options were handed to a jury. ':p'

Ghost · « **Reply #22 on:** 04, March, 2009, 03:20:18 PM »

CPS is the down fall of the system Tallguy, Officers are p1ssing against the wind 90% of the time, but the Met also do not help them selves, more so due to lack of being on the street and knowing WTF is going on out there, not to mention that it is now a majority attitude of "We are the law"

I still feel there is something MORE to this, as 6 months for 122mph and a kid on the back dont add up, we sure this guy didnt give the judge a hard time ? lol

Alba · « **Reply #23 on:** 04, March, 2009, 04:29:22 PM »

i think the MAG are on to this... ':crazy'

ninjaboy · « **Reply #24 on:** 04, March, 2009, 04:41:31 PM »

I really cant comment. :!

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