Topic: Enough

[MATTP]

Quote (Biker Biker @ July 03 2007,11:43)

I don't care about the whole of Britan.... that's Mr Browns Job. I agree that its changing, but going down? I am not so sure.

BB, not wanting to get into it as its a waste of time when people do not agree and just go tic for tac.

But if you want to just take a minute and think about things that are getting better in the UK for the people of the UK then please post them. When I say better I'm talking about family life, safe travel, health, standard of life, etc and not the fact that you can buy a cheap car for £6000 made somewhere in the middle of miles away (taking note that this has killed off workers in the North) or the water is cleaner which goes to your homes now or that there are X amount more police (funny thing is that if a country was getting better you would have less police - shame the thick can't work they f-ing one out!'>.

Facts are facts and I'm taking Callum to Australia as I'll be able to buy a 4 bed home in a very nice area, have a couple of motorbikes, 2 cars and a couple of holidays a year while sending him to a very good school. Unless I win lotto here there is not a $hit show in hell of this happening. But BB, please corect me and point out the places in the South East where I can do this?

I'm not getting smart with you as I call you a friend. But IMO your view is that off some with their head in the sand. But freedom of voice is for us all  '>

Matt you Still looking for Pies '>

[MATTP]

Quote (ifizzy @ July 03 2007,12:00)

Pay your employees a fair and manageable wage £5.75 or whatever it is is a pathetic amount of money. KILL ALL RELIGION BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!!!

Just two points here mate and they are fact. Pay someone more money and it has to come from somewhere. You know where that is going to come from? yes you and I. Happy to pay £4 for a pint? If not then you can't say you are happy to have these people paid more.
2nd point is that of Faith. Faith is not a problem that needs to be killed off. Its a shame that some have taken it to a different level but at the same time every fatih has done this. The sad fact is that people will attack the UK again and again in the years to come. No matter what this government trys to do you will not stop it. Best to just live with it and REACT in a strong way when it happens.

[ifizzy]

Quote (Biker Biker @ July 03 2007,12:05)

Quote (ifizzy @ July 03 2007,12:00) My problem is with the British attitude to community "Im alright sod everyone else" Sometimes you need to look at youself first before attacking others. What are you prepared to do to make a difference? Will you go drive to Kent so you can buy those strawberries direct from the farmer and give the 45% profit margin that supermarkets cream in profits?  With that 45% he can afford to live and allow the strawberry pickers a better life.

I will challenge anyone to say that I am not a socialist.
Note not a communist.
I believe that we are all born equal.
I want that polish carpenter to be earning the same amount as his british counterpart why shouldnt he.
I have many debates about this very subject I have written to newspapers and the like to emphasise this fact.
Exploitation in this country is protected by law and indoctrinated from birth.
I prefer to buy from the local shop(s)
I detest supermarkets and the power they exert over ordinary people.
I will and am prepared to pay more for my groceries if it helps the very people in this country whos lives depend on it.
I prefer organic, free range, home baked, allotment vegetables, and local services.
I dont specifically think Fair Trade incentives are being applied to the farming community in britain.
Why should a fisherman have to throw back a perfectly good catch just to artificially inflate the stock prices at market???

[Alba]

Quote (Mr Rizla @ July 03 2007,11:33)

i would like the simpler way of life, like being able to order food at The Ace without having to use a polish-english phrase book, and even then they get the order wrong, grr

well very good example Riz, thats what really makes me sad.

we all know the Ace, we all remember what was it like only last year, its now a horrible unfriendly sometimes even slightly dangerous place thanx to the mass of polish community that has invaded ealing.  the guy at the ace is probably doing it for economic reasons, but how sad is it that if you dont speak polish you get look at like a piece of crap?  and how bad is the quality of the food/drinks?

and yet, do we still go to the ace on friday?

whoever got power is only strong because we've given it to them.  people can change things if they want to.  lets move somewhere else and let him loose his business, we can involve other groups and you know we can do it.

ps.  Fran, if you want to see white english people working at macdonalds, stretch yourself to essex one of these days, you wont see a black face if you pay for it   '>

[Biker Biker]

Quote (MATTP @ July 03 2007,12:11)

Quote (Biker Biker @ July 03 2007,11:43) I don't care about the whole of Britan.... that's Mr Browns Job. I agree that its changing, but going down? I am not so sure. BB, not wanting to get into it as its a waste of time when people do not agree and just go tic for tac. But if you want to just take a minute and think about things that are getting better in the UK for the people of the UK then please post them. When I say better I'm talking about family life, safe travel, health, standard of life, etc and not the fact that you can buy a cheap car for £6000 made somewhere in the middle of miles away (taking note that this has killed off workers in the North) or the water is cleaner which goes to your homes now or that there are X amount more police (funny thing is that if a country was getting better you would have less police - shame the thick can't work they f-ing one out!'>. Facts are facts and I'm taking Callum to Australia as I'll be able to buy a 4 bed home in a very nice area, have a couple of motorbikes, 2 cars and a couple of holidays a year while sending him to a very good school. Unless I win lotto here there is not a $hit show in hell of this happening. But BB, please corect me and point out the places in the South East where I can do this? I'm not getting smart with you as I call you a friend. But IMO your view is that off some with their head in the sand. But freedom of voice is for us all  '>

I said that I agreed things are changing for the masses.  Whether they are getting better depends on the bench mark, yes we have running water, yes we have a transport system, yes we have free education, yes I am allowed to voice my opinions, yes as a female I can ride a motorbike without being flogged.  Everyone in Britian has the opportunity to leave and live where ever they choose because our money is worth something.

You have weighed up that the positives for the UK for your family is not enough.  My brother was in your same situation… had 2 boys with one one the way, lived in Croydon, worked in London.  His family now have a really nice life in Essex, 4 bed house, 3 kids now, the children attend a nice school, after school they learn Mandarin, maths and English, the commute into London is quicker from Essex and his wife only needs to work one day a week.  

It is possible to have a happy life in the UK it just depends on what you want and that is why many UK residents choose not to immigrate. I don’t know how my brother has done it, he didn’t win the lotto…. I can only guess he runs drugs in his spare time (just kidding).  

I don’t have my head in the sand… maybe I look for the positive and choose to work towards that.  I have seen people make it work, Britain is not bad for everyone.  Immigrants have an opportunity and that is why you hear people saying that the Polish are grafters and will work 6 days a week.  What do they see that our lazy lot on benefits don’t?

[Biker Biker]

Quote (ifizzy @ July 03 2007,12:18)

[ Will you go drive to Kent so you can buy those strawberries direct from the farmer and give the 45% profit margin that supermarkets cream in profits?  With that 45% he can afford to live and allow the strawberry pickers a better life.[/quote] I will challenge anyone to say that I am not a socialist. Note not a communist. I believe that we are all born equal. I want that polish carpenter to be earning the same amount as his british counterpart why shouldnt he. I have many debates about this very subject I have written to newspapers and the like to emphasise this fact. Exploitation in this country is protected by law and indoctrinated from birth. I prefer to buy from the local shop(s) I detest supermarkets and the power they exert over ordinary people. I will and am prepared to pay more for my groceries if it helps the very people in this country whos lives depend on it. I prefer organic, free range, home baked, allotment vegetables, and local services. I dont specifically think Fair Trade incentives are being applied to the farming community in britain. Why should a fisherman have to throw back a perfectly good catch just to artificially inflate the stock prices at market???

Oh hell this debate thing has to be carefully worded

quote=Biker Biker,July 03 2007,12:05]

Quote (ifizzy @ July 03 2007,12:00)

My problem is with the British attitude to community "Im alright sod everyone else"

Sometimes you need to look at yourself first before attacking others.

What are you prepared to do to make a difference?[/quote]

I was trying to say that this is probably why people think 'Sod it I'm all right'

I didn't say you were socialist or communist but I see you have put some thought into your shopping preferences

[Biker Biker]

Quote (Alba @ July 03 2007,12:21)

Quote (Mr Rizla @ July 03 2007,11:33) i would like the simpler way of life, like being able to order food at The Ace without having to use a polish-english phrase book, and even then they get the order wrong, grr well very good example Riz, thats what really makes me sad. we all know the Ace, we all remember what was it like only last year, its now a horrible unfriendly sometimes even slightly dangerous place thanx to the mass of polish community that has invaded ealing.  the guy at the ace is probably doing it for economic reasons, but how sad is it that if you dont speak polish you get look at like a piece of crap?  and how bad is the quality of the food/drinks? and yet, do we still go to the ace on friday? whoever got power is only strong because we've given it to them.  people can change things if they want to.  lets move somewhere else and let him loose his business, we can involve other groups and you know we can do it. ps.  Fran, if you want to see white english people working at macdonalds, stretch yourself to essex one of these days, you wont see a black face if you pay for it   '>

London is/can be a dangerous place.....

LOL

It ain't only the Polish...its everyone that live here.  Its has always been this way, we are just better at reporting it and recording the figures.

It makes you sad when the person taking your order don't speak the queens English??? Oh come on!

[CaptMoto]

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ps.  Fran, if you want to see white english people working at macdonalds, stretch yourself to essex one of these days, you wont see a black face if you pay for it

Alba I work in the Port of Tilbury which is in the county of Essex so I have a fair idea, when was last time you were in Essex cause down here (In TIlbury at least) there is a strong Ghanean and Nigerian presence, together with East Europeans etc etc.

I don't mind I get along with all sorts, I find it all good fun getting to know different cultures and absorbing various customs, I try to see the good in every person. When I was a "young gun" it was fun going out with girls from all nationalities, you've got to try 'em all, haven't you? lol '> '> '>

[Ghost]

1) Britain could not move fast enough to free Kuwait, a country it has no signed duty to defend or support in any military mannor, but hell they got oil, get the boys/girls in there.

2) Britain signed an agreement in 1874 with Yugoslovia to supports in Government, took us nearly 6 months to send troops in, bit late but hey they didnt have FA we wanted.

3) Hong Kong residents live with BRITISH passports but when its handed back get told your NOT British and you aint coming here.

4) Somalia claimed indipendance from British Sovrenty back in the 60's, but in a cival war, UK gets them ?? WTF is that about.

5) Zimbabwe kicks the white farmers out, major food shortage, we are asked to help ?? ummm sod off.

The great British Empire, most countrys told us to sod off, why do we not NOW say the same to them ? Sorry i dont care if your going to be killed in your own country, more so if it reduces the chances of you killing British people on British soil for YOUR beliefs.

Now we were happy to reap the benafits of joining the EU (what ever they were) but now say we dont want the people ? err, dont think that quite works, look at the investment from EU into UK, most of the top 100% are owned by EU or USA (or am i wrong there ? umm)

I work for a French company that just bought out my company that was Australian owned, was easy to say Fosters, but i aint eating Frogs Legs for nobody  '>

The British people were LIED to over Iraq, but we let our Priminster resign ? he should have been booted when the TRUTH was out, suckerd into a USA Oil problem and does that have something to do with the USA problem that Texas wants indipendance from UNITED States ?

A tolerent nation indeed, where we pay little, demand much and expect everything and get nothing and wonder why.

Sorry but the GREAT from Britain left with Thatcher and now we have England / Scotland / Ireland and Wales, the United Kingdom, United lol While we think that, every other Country around the world comes to extract the urine from us, bleeding the hard working tax payer for a NHS that does not work and State Benafits that YOUR (and myn) Taxes go into to prevent you and I from having our Two holidays a year in Barbadous. (mind even if i could afford it, id still pick Greece  '> )

We do NOT hold our MPs accountable for there actions, we vote in who wins the best slaggin match on the other party as to what they are REALLY going to do for us and then wonder why our country is a mess ?

How much more indeed is a question, how much MORE Tax, how much MORE killing, how much MORE government incompitance ??

And finaly for the Ghost rant of the year :-

Police, a minority have any respect for them, they can watch a crime, spend days writing it up, getting statments ad the like, for CPS to say, nah, we aint going on with this, great moral boost for the force there huh, and IF it makes it into court, some smart butt will drag something out from some 1523 law that says hey, he/she can do that coz they did this, so you either get away or some total idiot called JUDGE says have a couple of months. How the Police manage to do what they do is beyond me, next to Zero confidance for something they have no control over but take the blame for, yeh there are a good number of butt holes among them but i still beleive thats a minority of power tripers who were probably kicked about at school. BUT all said and done, 99% of the time we see damn good results at protecting US from foreign influance in the way of bombs.

PS, last time you will see this kind of rubbish from me, sorry for spelling, behind the bike shed was much more fun than sitting with 30 kids and one misarable bitch of a English Teacher.

If you read this far, TY, but wasnt worth it. lol

[Minnie]

Right, Ok peeps in the good old words
of Pekhamrose..

Beer anyone..?
Lets have a group hug too..

[Burger]

Quote (Biker Biker @ July 03 2007,12:38)

I said that I agreed things are changing for the masses.  Whether they are getting better depends on the bench mark, yes we have running water, yes we have a transport system, yes we have free education, yes I am allowed to voice my opinions, yes as a female I can ride a motorbike without being flogged.

To point you back at what you said before about the british empire!!!! I think we had all those things when the romans were around? lol

[Mr Rizla]

group hug, except burger, he smells

[Minnie]

Its the cheese on the Burger that causes that
opps its not Friday !!  

[Biker Biker]

Quote (Burger @ July 03 2007,13:46)

Quote (Biker Biker @ July 03 2007,12:38) I said that I agreed things are changing for the masses.  Whether they are getting better depends on the bench mark, yes we have running water, yes we have a transport system, yes we have free education, yes I am allowed to voice my opinions, yes as a female I can ride a motorbike without being flogged. To point you back at what you said before about the british empire!!!! I think we had all those things when the romans were around? lol

Do some reading on the British Empire and you will see how you have just twisted that out of context.

The British Empire Statement was with regards to
'Enough Of immigrants
Enough of employing foreign labour
enough foreign Doctors
enough assisting asylum seekers
enough bending over to be shafted by terror suspects'

Mate the BE started it all... ethnic cleansing, terrorism.....

The Romans had the ideas on which we base our society, but they don't keep it up to date.  Or can someone tell me when the Romans built the London Underground and my school.  

We have a lot of stuff that other countries don't

[Biker Biker]

Quote (Minnie @ July 03 2007,13:42)

Right, Ok peeps in the good old words of Pekhamrose.. Beer anyone..? Lets have a group hug too..

Minnie

This is debate not fallout...... so group hug if you wanna but I am gonna reread what Ghost said... nice one mate, interesting.

[Burger]

Im sorry Im confused, Are you saying the british empire was a good or a bad thing?

[Mr Rizla]

The British Empire, was fundamental in pushing forward the industrial revolution, which everyone has benefited from, having said that it was also responsable for some of the worst behaviour possible including mass killings, and slavery, lets not forget the slave trade was run from London for many many years.
Hmm cant think of anything else but will try '>

[Burger]

This ok Riz?

I mean from what I understand of the Britich empire must be differasnt from the view of others. I agree that it could be see as an organised system of oppression, condoning slavery, drug use and raping lands of their riches before leaving them in bits but look at through your ever so rosy specs.


The BE did so much good, Take Hong kong as an example, people are moaning that they have a british passport but aint classed as british, Well if you don’t like it go and live in Main land China as a comparison. The BE came, Conqured, made an economy in that country that still today rivals and scares most populated contintants.

The BE made the globe camparatilvy save and made world travel under one currency possible, something you take for granted when you hop on a plane sit in ya villa and buy fags with Euro’s in Southern Spain, AGAIN another BE triumph.

When the BE conqured a country it made it conform to one set of rules, Brought law and order to un civilised vountries, brought corporal punishment and introduced law ruling governments, they made economies, stabalised wars and brought what some could describe as peace to war countries.

And with all this power BRITAN did not extinguish the cultures of other nations or try to push its religios belives (which chaged through the years by the way, from paganism to chrisitanity ) onto the countries it helped (conquered ). IT brought a fairness frame work to most countries and introduced all the things we take for granted today.

The most accurate example oif this would be India. Now one of the most richiest economies in the world, the DOW the Yen, sterling all depend on the stability of India’s ever growing economy and in all the time the BE were in occupation India was allowed to have its religious belifies and continue in their tradition, all the BE was introduce a framework for these people to live in.

The simple fact is that the btritish Empire, like all Empires before it, did a lot more good than it did harm. Just like the Roman Empire in ancient times, its spjread plumbing, roads, trade, and education. The Roman Empire is now a luvly memory, and generally people recognise that it did much good for Europe - but people will not admit the same for the British Empire regarding what it did for the world. Screw the romans, Bring back Brittania, Pride, Economy and Law.

[Biker Biker]

Quote (Burger @ July 02 2007,19:36)

Ok, This is a topic for debate, This is not a point for anyone to raise and project racist views just a topic of debate. Enough, Of immigrants Enough of employing foreign labour enough foreign Doctors enough assisting asylum seekers enough bending over to be shafted by terror suspects Lets have some pride in our country and say enough is enough. How much blood needs to be spilt, how much disruption do we have to suffer, how much fear do we have to bear, how long do we have to keep our believes and thoughts to our self b/c we fear of being perceived as racist??? HOW MUCH is enough. If we need doctors lets save money on asylum seekers and hostels and put it into training British doctors. If we need brick layers put power into destroying corrupt, bent money grabing british unions and train young British people out of school who are out of work instead of hiring illegal asylum seekers at piss poor rates. Smash radical religious belives, Why in this day and age do we as a British people allow radical extream nutters push their belives on us in our country. Enough is enough, I dont support no war, I dont support your views, I Dont support your radical bent, twisted ways so dont bomb MY PEOPLE. Go home and kill the americans, or stay in France with your medical degree's and brick laying skills, No you wont cos the french dont take any crap!!! God Save France and let England sink, we deserve it by standing  by and being diverse. Part one of my 25th Hour.

You misunderstand the point.....

Your first post is all about bugger off Immigrants, terrorists, and religious radicals.  You say have some pride in our country.

Without the BE the UK would never of reaped the rewards which enabled us to build our country.  Was the BE good for filling the pockets of the UK and building a foundation for affluence – yes. But that does not mean that the BE was a good thing, in terms of the ethical, political and humanitarian state in which we left these countries.  From that aspect the BE was a bad thing.  

Now after the demise of the BE there is bit of a role reversal in terms of the flow of cash and activities don’t you think.

How can the pot call the kettle black.

[Burger]

Hurrrm, I see what your saying but its been enough time for said countries to recover from the CLAIMED atrocities, and a majority of the terror threats we currently recive are not linked to any country the BE has occupied. Im not sure how our Great BRittania got brought into this debate?

But a fair point never the less.

[Biker Biker]

yeah ws Not saying it was a tit for tat thing but just showing that Britain ain't whiter than white.

As for claimed atrocities... I think they are well documented and Britain apologised for slavery very recently I think.

Just trying to say that we are built on Immigration and the cash flow in.... its part of the UK hence why immigration here will continue.

[peckhamrose]

I love London.  I love London with a passion. I have travelled a bit, and always love coming back here? Why? Because people get on. People are idiots wherever you may be but in London we're all idiots together and sometimes, just sometimes, you can smile at someone and get a smile back and you have absolutely no idea of their life their background their nightmares their money worries, but together you smiled.  And if you take just a little time, just a small amount out of your day, and are patient and happy, people will talk a bit, open up, teach you something.  

Living in a village, everyone can know you and your business and if you don't like 'em or they don't like you, you're well and truly stuffed, but in a big town like London, there's loads more people you can try to be friends with.  I don't care where someone comes from, their religion, their sexual orientation or their class, if they're are polite to me when I am polite to them they're fine by me.  

What's ruining the country is also corporate greed. The Abbey has lost my custom. It's now Spanish.  A bit like It's A Wonderful Life, my mate got to be a bank manager. He learned his craft, learned about the culture of the little town, and was truly respected. Then things changed. He was expected to reach targets for things like getting folks to do their banking on line. He failed lots of targets but never lost customers. 70% of the town were OAP so they want people to talk to at the bank. He got replaced by a 25 year old fast-tracker who was willing to have his strings pulled by Head office. That's what's wrong with this country.

Consider: the early astronauts had a HELL of a problem after coming back to earth and many divorces occurred because for the first time these humans were in a space, literally a big space, where they realised just how small this planet is, how small we all are and how stupid we are for having built these countries and borders and rules and regulations and stipulations.  And they could not literally mentally get back down to earth.  
All politics and religion is, is a tool by which a small amount of people want power and control over everyone else. Doesn't matter where that is.  This is what will end the human race: testosterone and/or religion.  

It sickens me when I go up north of England as I have had to do for my work sometimes and had to mix with truly horrible so-called working-class (or forever out of working class) nicotine addicted whites who are so racist, rude, sexist and it's them, my fellow so-called Brits who make me feel more hatred for my fellow humans than any person I may come across in London who can't speak English well yet but tries and is probably here for some very good reason. I know the northern white attitude mentioned above exists all over the world but I don't see it so much in big towns.

When the tanker was bashed off the coast of Devon and hundreds of white British thieves tore down there ripped open the crates and stole, happy on camera, stole things. That made me ashamed. My surname is French, I think we came over with the Hugenots. Should I go back now?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm beeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

[peckhamrose]

"I don't care where someone comes from, their religion, their sexual orientation or their class, if they're are polite to me when I am polite to them they're fine by me."  

Christ that was naive sorry!  Sure you know what I meant tho!

[Alba]

as an 'outsider' been here for only 10 years, i see things from outer space sometimes.  as i was trying to say without being misinterpreted, what makes me sad was the fact that people come in this country nowadays with an ATTITUDE, i was taking what Riz said as an example for what is happening just around my very corner.

bearing in mind the fact that when it was me not been able to put 2 english words together i couldnt find a job even if i wanted to clean toilets, the amount of crap people are prepared to tolerate in this country has at least doubled in the last 10 years.  all because of fear of confrontation or to be called racist.

yes we all have our share of bad history, but this side of the world has at least tried to amend itself.  the other side still thinks is the greatest honour to kill as many innocents as possible for the sake of religion.