Topic: Enough

[Burger]

Ok, This is a topic for debate, This is not a point for anyone to raise and project racist views just a topic of debate.

Enough,

Of immigrants
Enough of employing foreign labour
enough foreign Doctors
enough assisting asylum seekers
enough bending over to be shafted by terror suspects

Lets have some pride in our country and say enough is enough. How much blood needs to be spilt, how much disruption do we have to suffer, how much fear do we have to bear, how long do we have to keep our believes and thoughts to our self b/c we fear of being perceived as racist??? HOW MUCH is enough.

If we need doctors lets save money on asylum seekers and hostels and put it into training British doctors.

If we need brick layers put power into destroying corrupt, bent money grabing british unions and train young British people out of school who are out of work instead of hiring illegal asylum seekers at piss poor rates.

Smash radical religious belives, Why in this day and age do we as a British people allow radical extream nutters push their belives on us in our country.

Enough is enough, I dont support no war, I dont support your views, I Dont support your radical bent, twisted ways so dont bomb MY PEOPLE. Go home and kill the americans, or stay in France with your medical degree's and brick laying skills, No you wont cos the french dont take any crap!!! God Save France and let England sink, we deserve it by standing  by and being diverse.

Part one of my 25th Hour.

[CaptMoto]

I take it you are not going to marry Alba anymore then? '>
Cause to be honest last time I spoke to her, she was still an italian working in uk so... according to your statement she is an immigrant (just like me, and following your advice, I should just pack my bags too, huh?) To be honest, I was quite content working back home in Italy, the weather, well you know you can't beat it, the food and the women, all fine. One day my boss said, young man (well it was 22 years ago) I need you to go and help develop our expanding UK branch, you will be working in a team that employs 2500 British citizens from all different extraction, which means British born west indians, asian, as well as english people. I took it as a challenge and did the best I could, I know I am not taking english people's jobs cause this is after all an Italian company with worldwide branches who employs local people in every locations.

You are just over reacting at the sad fact that there is a strong terrorist cell in UK, same as there is in Spain (ETA), France (Basque) USA (Al Quaeida) etc etc.

If you was to send them all back home wherever that may be I assure you things will not improve, there will always be obscure terrorist groups. It is impossible to exclude all other ethnicities and lock up England to the english alone.

There are too many UK businesses benefiting from cheap labour, from these ethnic groups, all the jobs the british people don't fancy doing anymore are taken by immigrants. The facts are:

traffic wardens, 80% africans, indians etc...
post offices staff, 80% indians.
street sweepers, petrol garage attendants, bus drivers, truck delivery drivers, all these jobs are taken by a mixture of all above mentioned ethnic groups.
I can't even remember the last time I went into a McDonald's and was served by an english white person. or KFC, Wendy, Pizza Hut the lot.... can you tell me why that is?

Is it because the english people feel so "grand" that they don't want to do these shitty jobs or is it because they pay crap money and no one want to work in those places? And who is the fat cat making all that profit out of cheap foreign labour?

Why are there so many white english people on the dole living on a giro? and why are they not even bothering queuing up at the job centres? Surely english people are not all high flying professionals? so... how can they afford 2  bikes 2 cars a semi-detached and a timeshare in Marbella?

The moral of the story is, the world unfortunately has become an open nation, you will no longer find a country in Europe populated solely by people of that given country, there will always be what you call "immigrants" and UK is not alone London is the most multicultural city in the world after New York, Toronto and Paris. Northern Europe is being inundated by the post communist break up countries and eastern european communities, are spreading out of their poor countries in all directions.

You cannot paint everyone with the same tar brush.

Dam I'm Irish that makes me an Immigrant as well i better run     '>

[Mr Rizla]

im leaving also '>, Clint, lets move to Amsterdamn '>

Quote (Mr Rizla @ July 02 2007,20:46)

im leaving also '>, Clint, lets move to Amsterdamn '>

I agree with Ken we know were we are not wanted

Ken I agree How bout Friday we move then  '>

The Immigrants are Leaving The Building  

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[Burger]

Your right Fran, My point was not put across well.

Ill move to Italy, slouch of the government and blow people up.

Oh no, Cos Italian's have self respect and wont stand for that, I wont be given a job without speaking fluent italian, I wont be alowed to claim any benifit and Ill be stoned out the country.

Oh how I wish England was like that.

Why are you here, What does England give you?

ALOT, I might be crappy but your still here. And you re-pay the country and its people by not blowing them up. Is it just me???

This is why people dont voice their views, cos their so scared some Italian, Scots man, Irish man will take offence.

Do you know what an english man to me is??? Someone who works hard, Gives back and dont blow me up.

Dont matter what colour they are, dont matter what they speak or where they live, They are english.

And shitty jobs fran?? English would do them if they could afford to live of the salary. Im in the building profession, English guys cant get work cos they are demanging the minimum wage (FU** me the minimum FOR F*** sake ) but they get turned down cos some one can do it for feck all cos they live in a house with 200 other people. Where as the english man in his own home with him wife CANT FU**ing work for THE MINIMUM wage in his own country.

Cheap labour devalues the source. ITs basic economy.

I cant wait till some jumped up little crap says he can do your job for half your wage, I bet a ££££££ that your boss thinks about it.

[Burger]

so as for all your slang backs, retract, Cos I consider any man/Woman who lives here, works and gives back an english man/woman. Come, come and give to our great economy but dont devalue what I have and if you dont belive what I do in my country then tuff.

[CaptMoto]

I am here because my job moved me here, by the time (6 years later) I was offered a chance to go back, I had already got roots with family and a son, difficult when your son is born here and all his family is here to move them all back into a different country.

I don't complain about the english way of life or the weather, I just put up with it and make my own world a better one wherever I am. I have never contemplated or considered blowing anyone up, for either creed, religion or colour. under the skin we all bleed. we are all human.

[Burger]

Then Welcome to OUR country Fran.

I think think with the interjections on this thread I think my mis placed point is lost and no debate will be made. Shame, as I suspect this happens every time someone in power raises the same question.

Nice beat down fella! '>

[Mr Rizla]

you should all come to Glasgow, we dont have difference races or credes, we are all Glaswegains, just dont talk about football.

[madscientist]

Burger I agree with what I think you are trying to say. Anyone who is willing to put back into our country as much as they take out is welcome, regardless of where they are from. However, if they don't agree with the way the country is.. whether it be on political, social, economic or religious grounds then open a reasoned debate about it - don't bomb the f*** out of innocent people who may even sympathise with your views, or start trying to form communities that are no-go areas for people of other faiths/ethnicities.

I for one would never go to live in another country without at least a grounding of the native language and some means of supporting myself.

[tallgirl]

Yeh but are Glaswegians boob height.... '>

[WDZ]

Quote (tallgirl @ July 02 2007,22:43)

Yeh but are Glaswegians boob height.... '>

I must have Scottish blood, as I would need stilts to get boob height to you '>

[Burger]

Quote (CaptMoto @ July 02 2007,20:26)

she is an immigrant (just like me, and following your advice, I should just pack my bags too, huh?) I can't even remember the last time I went into a McDonald's and was served by an english white person. or KFC, Wendy, Pizza Hut the lot.... can you tell me why that is?

Two things,

SHE, Is half the reason why my blood boils, Lived in the UK for 11 years and had never left the radius of the M25.

Second point:

London aint England Fran, Thats why you wont be served by an english/white person becasue this is London, Its a completley seperate country to ENgland, ITs on a small Island called the M25 and all the locals moved out to Essex/reading/watford/ruislip/Guildford years go.

[CaptMoto]

You are very right there, things are much different outside of London, you only need to travel to Devon or Cornwall (beautiful places by the way) to see the difference as you pointed it out.

But unfortunately, just like you, Alba, myself and most of the people you know here, we all live in London. And it is in London, and other main UK cities, where these terrorist are active. There would be no point for them to bomb Dartmoor, would it?

See, Rich, these people are the scum of the planet, but if you go back in history and try to get to the source of who or what piss them off so much, for them to turn like this, you will find atrocities in the truth that yes they are ruthless terrorist with not a drop of decency, but they would have not been bothering the west and would probably have stayed in their own countries fighting their own religious wars, had it not been for the west (UK and America) to go and spoil them, trying to rape their country out of their OIL and then interfere in their stupid religious wars.

Now.... I am not condoning nor justifying Iraq, Afghanistand or any of those misearable fcukers, but what I am trying to say is that if America and UK would have left them to their own devices, to kill themselves as they wish, and tried to go by with their own resources in OIL, or whatever it is that they are interested in, this would never have happened and the 2 people we should all be thankful to for this crap are none other than the 2 Bush, father and son who took it upon themselves to start rattling the fcuk our of the middle east and convincing the likes of Tatcher and Blair into taking parts in their own petty revenge with these middle east countries.

Yes, eventually they've managed to kill Saddam, yes he was a c**t but what good is it now that even when he's dead the shit down there and the repercussion here is still going on?

Are you aware that Bin Laden was trained into warmongery by the US, persued a high education in UK and lived in Mayfair for sometime sharing high society circles of the rich and famous back in the late 80's? I can even point you his ex residency in Curzon Street Mayfair, you can't miss it, opposite the Curzon Cinema, big mansion house with a semi circular drive in.

He is from a very rich family and was allowed to live and breed in UK becuse of his wealth, no one ever questioned him then, eventually when some BIG money deal went wrong between him and the western government, he moved all his close relatives back to Afghanistan and formed Al Quaeida, knowing that Bush senior had sworn to get his share of this big money deal that went wrong, which is where all this nasty story began and the consequences we all know now....

I could talk to you about this all night but I've got a ship out there in the docks and the shift is starting pretty soon.

Take care and give my regards to your immigrant fiancee '> '>

[Flying Scot]

I think what burger is trying to say is if you come to britain work ,pay youre taxes 'live by british law you can have youre religion just don't try and push it on to anybody .And I beleive if you want to complain about youre own country go back and complain there. Is this what youre trying to say burg

[trouty]

interesting!

my theory, is that theres nothing wrong with having a good war now and then. we (as a country) spend millions on our troops to train, kit and clothe them, and (speaking as an ex squaddie who was around during the ira bombings, the gulf 'conflict' in kuwait, bosnia/croatia) squaddies are gagging to get out there and do what theyve been trained to do. or at least, the younger ones are. i'm just laying it down that i'm not an 'antiwar' type.

at our work place, i am one of 3 white english. my comrades consist of 3 white south africans, one english iranian, 3 english indian, 1 kazakstan, 1 croatian. on the other side of the room, 4 english indian, 1 black zimbabwean.  The kazak and the poles that work in other teams, and the croatian i tend to have a giggle with, telling them that the traffic lights have changed that they should get down there quick with a squeegee! '> they see the funny side!  but all these dudes work hard, they pay their taxes, they go home to their families

not enough time to go into this.. maybe more later...

[Darkmonster]

I moved out here to California in November 2002....

1 year later, I came back to London on honeymoon....and I was shocked at just how many 'non-English speakers' there were there...I was saddened to be honest.

I read the other day that there are on average, 1500 illegals a DAY getting into the UK. Its now the 4th most populated country per square mile in the world....

I feel bad for people who have left desperate poverty/war/disease etc looking for a better life, but geez....many more & poor ol Blighty's gonna sink.

I was talking with a couple of musician friends, both from England, and living out here for 12 & 15 years respectively....Neither of them would even consider returning to live now, and sadly neither would I.

OK....getting off soapbox now.

[Minnie]

Quote (Mr Rizla @ July 02 2007,22:26)

you should all come to Glasgow, we dont have difference races or credes, we are all Glaswegains, just dont talk about football.

ha ha never so true,
when you meet people in Scotland
first question, what school did you go to
second what team do you support.

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[Minnie]

..someone recently asked my daughter do you vote..?
she said no I never have, shocked she was challenged by the
person, she replied unfortunately I would be voting BNP which would upset everyone therefore I dont vote.



  :!

[Darkmonster]

Quote (Minnie @ July 02 2007,22:44)

I would be voting BNP

That used to be my standard reply to the annoying twats that pester you in the street...

I wouldn't have of course, but it was worth the look on their faces to say it  '>

[Weaver]

Quote (Darkmonster @ July 03 2007,06:33)

I read the other day that there are on average, 1500 illegals a DAY getting into the UK. Its now the 4th most populated country per square mile in the world....

No problem getting in because the government has cut the Customs/Immigration service to the bone so there is no one anywhere to prevent it.  

In fact most of the "asylum" seekers whether genuine or not should be deported at least as far as France or Holland if not further.  Most of them come overland apparently - now the international "rules" on asylum seekers state that you must ask for refuge in the first civilised country in which you arrive - so by insisting on coming here that means that they are claiming that Italy, Germany, Spain, France etc etc etc are not civilised?  No the difference is that most of those countries would not put up with those who want to move in with no intention of contributing to the economy of the country and unfortunately there are many of these people here - and not only do they pull everything down but they give a bad name to those people who do come here and work hard and mix in and become part of the country.  

Re the "wars" - well  I think Kuwait was a different issue from the Iraq war though - they had been invaded and needed our help - but Iraq - there was no excuse for that and we are now reaping the flack for it!

Oh yes - and now some idiots want to give amnesty to the illegals and they don't think it will set a precedent or encourage even more to come here?  Hmmm they seem to be forgetting that Spain has tried that and are now getting snowed under again!  

[Burger]

Quote (Flying Scot @ July 03 2007,06:20)

I think what burger is trying to say is if you come to britain work ,pay youre taxes 'live by british law you can have youre religion just don't try and push it on to anybody .And I beleive if you want to complain about youre own country go back and complain there. Is this what youre trying to say burg

Yes Ron I am trying to say that, MY jibes are directed at a minority which in my eyes is not a minority.

Fran, Thats brill, Thats a debate, I fully accept that the horror's we now face are b/c of what are fathers thought was the right thing to do at the time. Thats life.

I, like DM have been lucky enough to live and work in Diff countries and Im shocked our lazy approach to immigration and all the other policies thats sporn modern britain. Sweden for example, the most placid country in the world are the most strict with their appliciation process.

So again, Im working from home as all the tubes heading west to east are closed due to another "incident". No doubt a false alarm called in by a scared commuter who has had fear installed by a fellow resident of this great country.

What upsets me the most is when you take the tube bombers, They were english born, Bred and what I would class as Yorkshire men. What in their life would make them taje such drastic action against their own people to make a political point?  When is enough enough?

[The old man]

I like this thread. I also agree that there is discrimination, on the day of the smoking ban 2 immigrants where found smoking at Glasgow Airport!!.

Seriously though. I have no issue with 'Legal Immigrants' ie people who are placed here with skills that this country is sadly missing. It is a sad fact that British skill sets have been decreasing rapidly for years. What happened to 'apprentiships'?. Try to find a qualified Plumber, Mechanic, bricklayer etc etc, they are no longer coming up through the system.
Since the days of Red Ken we have been bleating about our worth, we have been demanding higher wages, shorter working weeks until the point came where it was cheaper to buy our steel and coal from the eastern block, now we are buying our labour from there.
People who are prepared to live with their wife and kids in a one room bedsit instead of the one person one house mentality of the brits. People who are prepared to work 2-3 jobs in order to survive unlike our teachers/nurses who cant afford to live in Mayfair where they believe the stature of their jobs warrants it.

5% of council housing is lived in by Legal Immigrants!, Whos to blame? Successive governments that lined their pockets from 'Right to buy' sales but didn't build new houses to take their place.

Terrorism is a debate that i don't want to get into because i don't know the cure for that one but IMO it doesent matter where you live, you can terrorise from afar, they don't need to be resident here to do it.

[trouty]

Quote (The old man @ July 03 2007,09:26)

Terrorism is a debate that i don't want to get into because i don't know the cure for that one

cut off theyre eyelids with a broken bottle. Do it to a few and the rest will get the picture