Author Topic: Accident on friday:( (Read 1053 times)

Drei · « **on:** 21, October, 2006, 11:58:44 PM »

Not much to say but I came off teh bike and bike went sliding and me rolling on the floor... but I am OK:(

the accident is very delicate... not sure how go about this, I was coming out of petrol station, dual lane I was in right lane and this modified Fiat on teh left I go and he goes, so I start pulling left, I had my ear plugs in and I could hear his car reving like crazy, seems he decided that why should he let a bike go in front and to undertake? As he acelerated I did also as I didn't want the idiot to hit me, all I remember is a glance back and not sure if what I saw was correct or not but he touched my back weell, the bike went straight, so fast like a slingshot, if he wasn't so close I could have tried to control it more then I did, as I went foward quite a bit with my back all over untill bike gave up and I could no longer hold it. Now the guy breaked, this was coming up a hill... as my bike went sliding down it stopped right under this car, not much damage but as I barely got up and went to the side, the bloke in Fiat pulled looked, then came out went to the woman, told her that if she needed a witnes to call him and left, no one took his number plate or anything.

So... now all it was left is this... a biker went down, bike sliding and hit a car. Everyone seems so concerned with that woman, and she kept on asking me non stop about my details, Jesus... I just came rolling like 50 feet... if you see picture from the light post on the right hand side all the way to where I took photo. Some old man was on the side he is probably a witness... he kept asking me for my details also. I just gave her my wallet and said look in there.

There was a bloke that is a biker who saw me and that car then me shoot off sliding all over and that car stopped then came forward so that's all I have on my side. Now I do have the Fiat guy home and mobile number and name... only because he gave it to that woman, not sure why and whatm he would say as a witness... because a damn witness he is not, all I cam imagine is that he stopped and came slowly then he saw what happened and realised he could get out of it, as everyone was focused on the damn bike hitting that car and no one saw anything that happened between me and him.

Everyone asked that woman if she was OK... there was no damage to that car besides the bumper... now she told me her engine is leaking fluid. I looked at the photos and the photos I took after and I see no liquid that came out from her car, she was there a good 20 minutes.

Seems I am ok just muscle plain, no bruises or anything.

I am debating if I should keep the bike or not... once it is repaired. I might go off biking until further notice, buy a car and leave it to that until I move to a desert Island or in the middle of nowhere. The whole attitude towards the accident left me with a very bad taste in my mouth, no regard whatsoever towards bikers, the guy that touched me drove off and never asked me if I was well or not, brief glance towards me and that was it. I would never try and undertake a bike... never. Because he was so close to me I couldn't even try and control the bike properly. Like I said, everyone wanted to know if that woman was ok... nothing happened to her, all she could think was my details... what if I would have been carried away to hospital... no one call the police or anything.

I really don't like the feeling I am going to have from now on: "Complete paranoia, as if everyone else is out to take me down". Riding like this is no fun, I can't enjoy it. We will see... once I get an estimate on cost and all...

P.S. If you guys know any good mechanics, or if any of you have some time to come over to my house just to have a quick look at the bike, give me an idea of repair cost if you/he/she can fix it... etc much appreciated it.

Mr Rizla · « **Reply #1 on:** 22, October, 2006, 10:12:36 AM »

bikes can be fixed, am glad your ok, was the accident reported to the police?

andyblade · « **Reply #2 on:** 22, October, 2006, 10:28:55 AM »

sorry to hear this mate, i agree with riz, also speak to rider support and se what they say

riz K5 · « **Reply #3 on:** 22, October, 2006, 11:27:26 AM »

Sorry Derli to hear about this! As everyone has said, the main thing is your OK, it could have been a lot worse!

Think about ALL your options before you do anything. You could always get a couple of bogus witnesses, has always worked a treat for me in the past!

Mr Rizla · « **Reply #4 on:** 22, October, 2006, 12:25:44 PM »

maybe its time to remind everyone that this conversation is in the public domain and should be treated as "adult fantasy"

'> well i always do, or is that another forum...

Burger · « **Reply #5 on:** 22, October, 2006, 01:26:28 PM »

Drei,

Sorry to to hear about this mate. Will be hard to prove if nobody saw what happened and you dont have any damage to the rear of your bike.

Sit tight take the fall and dont give up biking, these are the things that will make you a brill rider!

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DangerMouse · « **Reply #6 on:** 22, October, 2006, 01:26:53 PM »

Drei,
Sorry to hear about your bad news by the sounds of it you were partly to blame because you tried to retaliate. Should of just let him go and overtake him later. Or got yourself in a better position. I wouldnt give up biking it has happened to all of us and the main thing is you learn from it. I would give you probably the best advice i can and that would be to get back on your bike and book some advanced training. It will be the best £150 you have spent and your get your confidence back.

Chris

Drei · « **Reply #7 on:** 22, October, 2006, 01:39:17 PM »

Thanks a lot guys, the accident wasn't reported to the Police, yet I did go, they just wanted to make sure I have all facts right. I was the one that told them there was oil on the road, the other involved didn't give a crap. The insurance was informed. Frankly I know I was half to blame, should have realised he was an idiot and just pulled right and let him pass. Could easy overtake him later on anyhow.

Right now I would only need someone that knows about bike if they don't mind to pop over:) and give me an idea on damage, see if chassis is ok and forks are ok.

I already saw some bits on eBay quite cheap.

Was told by someone that £345 is what they want to check the bike, stick it on a jig and see if it is bend and check forks. Quite a bit of cash just for a look, with that money I can get the bike almost repaired.

I can do that, buy the bits and pay someone for the labour, doesn't have to be done in a day... take your time. So if anyone is willing give me a shout:)

BikerBeth · « **Reply #8 on:** 22, October, 2006, 01:44:12 PM »

Glad to hear you are O.K. - hope the bike fixing is not too expensive

Alba · « **Reply #9 on:** 22, October, 2006, 02:58:58 PM »

Drei, sorry for your accident but unfortunately sooner or later it happens to everyone.

i had a couple myself where i wasnt really hurt but got loads of damage on the bike. never for a second i thought of giving up biking...it does make you feel unconfortable but try to ride defensively because the rest of road users dont really care about bikers, thats the hard truth.

you should be able to get your bike to a garage through your recovery policy, you should have one. as being told before, ask the RSS for the best way to go from here.

best of luck with everything, shit happens but try to stay positive!

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andyblade · « **Reply #10 on:** 22, October, 2006, 06:12:43 PM »

when my frame was bent i had a company "bike aline" i think look at it, there are in mcn somewhere, they picked it up, tested it, straightened it, and dropped it back, im sure it was under £200

Drei · « **Reply #11 on:** 23, October, 2006, 09:48:36 AM »

Quote (andyblade @ Oct. 22 2006,18:12)

when my frame was bent i had a company "bike aline" i think look at it, there are in mcn somewhere, they picked it up, tested it, straightened it, and dropped it back, im sure it was under £200

OK mate I will check it out, if you have any numbers anything PM them please.

Had a look here can't find them:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?pag....1072767

Also can I use any of these:

eBay item 1

eBay item 2

eBay item 3

eBay lever

eBay level 2

To replace this broken thing:)

Photo of Damage

fruitskin · « **Reply #12 on:** 23, October, 2006, 10:12:04 AM »

sorry to hear about this. dont give up on bikes because of this though. as burger says, something like this will really add to your experience and make you a better and more aware rider because of it.

i always used to say about cars - you become a better diver after your first accident - and I guess it could be the same for motorbikes.

Burger · « **Reply #13 on:** 23, October, 2006, 10:31:07 AM »

Drei,

Is your not a K6? If so I think you may need to buy K6 parts. If your pretty handy with a drill and can modify the K4 ones your on to a winner.

Or do what I do, Send it to Tino's garage in Hearne hill and he will send it back to you pucka for a medium sized price!

rossidude46 · « **Reply #14 on:** 24, October, 2006, 06:42:18 PM »

hi Drei, sorry to hear about your accident. 16 years ago this week i was in hospital having my right hip screwed back together after my 1st ever accident, and all i could think about was how quick i could get back on a bike ( which was about 6 months later as soon as the doc told me i could get rid of the crutches). i had to get back on as i did not want to live with the regret of not trying. I had 4 more operations and now i set off alarms at airports and have trouble walking, but nothing beats the feeling when i ride a bike, which now has to be small, but as the ladies always tell me it's not the size but how one uses it....

so hopefully you will be ok in time

Drei · « **Reply #15 on:** 26, October, 2006, 11:42:57 AM »

Well the animations here will explain how it happened.

Frankly I am partial at fault as the car was already at the line on left hand side, he did not signal or go so I went, really I should have known better and waited for him...

Animation of Accident

Matt zx9 · « **Reply #16 on:** 26, October, 2006, 11:48:28 AM »

Its a great animation.... but you do realise it makes the accident basically your fault? ':rock:'

Matt
zx9

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Drei · « **Reply #17 on:** 26, October, 2006, 11:54:17 AM »

Quote (Matt zx9 @ Oct. 26 2006,11:48)

Its a great animation.... but you do realise it makes the accident basically your fault? ':rock:'

Matt
zx9

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Looking back it does seem that way no? He was just standing there like an idiot not signaling or doing anything, if you think about when you turn right you do it from the right side in a 1 way system no? You dont stay in left lane then decide you turn right, he could have been going left and stop at the dead end.
If his car was positioned in right spot I would have been behind him and waited there.

Really is both our faults... then again I cannot tell who is wrong. I had a look there and took some photos of cars coming out and every single car goes to the right which to me seems normal way to go. I haven't seen any cars positioning left then turning right.

Mikey · « **Reply #18 on:** 26, October, 2006, 11:54:26 AM »

How does it make it his fault matt?

Mr Rizla · « **Reply #19 on:** 26, October, 2006, 11:59:03 AM »

The exit point is single lane, if Drei was already at the stop line (double dashes) then he has right of way, if the car was there 1st and Drei pulled up beside him i think the law is in favour of the car but im no cop or expert on highway code so am hoping TallGuy or another will comment

Drei · « **Reply #20 on:** 26, October, 2006, 12:44:25 PM »

I hope so also... this is a pain in ass, considering the exit is so wide you can fit 2 cars but ... as it is not a 2 lane exit then no matter if teh guy is left center or right I should have waited for him until he made his mind up.

It is similar to a roundabout, so you as a bike come on left side and a car is on right side then as you both leave the car decides it wants to turn left and smacks you. It's stupid... but what I want to know is why he was accelerating and reving his engine, you wouldn't do that unless you want to intimidate someone, even if he left and went like a normal car would go we would have had no contact whatsoever, only reason it happened is because he accelerated... yet again no idea why, besides the fact that he doesn't like bikes.

So I can say that he just wanted to have a go with me simply...

Matt zx9 · « **Reply #21 on:** 26, October, 2006, 01:17:27 PM »

Quote (Mikey @ Oct. 26 2006,11:54)

How does it make it his fault matt?

My reading of the situation (this is with PoliceHead or InsuranceHead on, not MotorcyclistHead) is...

Car is at junction (albeit not indicating), he is stopped at the white line and there is no indication that its a two lane junction, so the car is free to go left or right.

The motorcyclist has come out of a junction (to the right on the picture) and come up to the right of the car despite the fact the car had right of way because a) he was on the major road (compared to that minor junction, not the road the car was turning into) and b) he was already waiting at the white line.

As the car pulls forward, the bike is effectively doing an overtake at a junction.

If this one was to go to court, I'd give the biker very little chance of winning

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Thats my take on the situation, and I CAN see the bikers point of view. The insurance company is unlikely to...

Matt
zx9

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Darkmonster · « **Reply #22 on:** 26, October, 2006, 01:44:18 PM »

Sorry to hear about the off, sadly tho, as Matt & others including yourself now realise, it would seem you will be blamed for it should it go to insurance co.

I would suggest you contact Rider Support Services as soon as you can (if you already havent) and see what their take on it is.

I couldn't wait to get back on my bike, I turned up at my 1st Physio session after my accident on my bike....It really pissed the physiotherapist off....

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Good luck

Wildcat · « **Reply #23 on:** 26, October, 2006, 05:24:51 PM »

From the animation it looks to me as though you should have given way at the first dotted line, then pulled out behind him.

TallGuy · « **Reply #24 on:** 26, October, 2006, 05:34:50 PM »

Right well as you all know I'm a biker and also a copper (but not traffic) I would have to agree with Matt ZX9's summary.
Amination 1. - Although the junction is wide enough for two vehicles it is not intended for two vehicles to exit the junction side by side. The junction is that wide for the fuel tankers. Look at the position of the give way triangle. It is in the middle of the road which indicates that this is a single carrigeway. There is a no entry sign to the left but I can't see if that relates to the road you are pulling out of or the road to the left which would make it a right turn only. I don't see a one way sign on the lamp post opposite nor any direction arrows on the road. If the car arrived at the junction before you then he leaves before you. The fact that he was revving his engine and you responded by overtaking will go against you.

Animation 2.
What do the round signs each side of the road facing away from view indicate? What do you mean by point of accident? Do you mean the point at which you lost control of the motorbike and fell off? The real point of accident is the first point of contact with the car.

Animation 3.
From the point of impact to the point of collision with the 3rd vehicle is some distance which would indicate significant speed was involved, somewhat over the speed limit specified for the road.

Whilst not fully to blame for the incident I believe that you would be sufficiently in the wrong for any claim against the driver to be quashed. Don't go along the intimidation line, it only leads saying things that land you in trouble, like ..... "well he thought he could beat me off the lights officer..... but my bike does 0-60 in 2.5s." Yes sir and is that why you hit the other car at 50mph in a 30 zone then!

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